She was 88had just got back upand I was so inspired by how she got back up that I wrote that poem; I also wrote Blinding the White Horse in Front of Me (2016) basically in the same spurt of energy. Education: Barnard College, New York, B.A. 118AN: It was definitely weird to get food stamps. Somewhere, I have a photo of my father with a snake in his mouth and every year that he did it, he got a little tattoo of a star on his hand; and my mother danced the year she was pregnant with me the. Bernadette Mayer writes through the pandemic. The former Presidents political and legal challenges are mounting, even as some polls indicate that he still has a lot of support among Republicans. NOTLEY, Alice. I wrote a poem about it in. One of her main currents of experimentation has revolved around the search for a feminine epic, one that could serve as an alternative to the male stories that have dominated the history of poetry since Homer. 108AN: Yes, towards the end of number fourteen, the last one. DR: Also Im coming back often to that poem, In this Paradise, about the food-stamp office. AN: Well I grew up in the Southwest. 57, no. Its also a passionate entreaty to writers to make work thats completely their own. Notleys language is, as ever, mystifying: in lines fluid yet clipped, interior yet discursive, she turns the idea of independence inside out to discover its seams. Its from Homer. Notley's work is famously heterogeneous, but it's possible to see a gradual. I could have a conversation about Royal Trux: a very chaotic indie group, sometimes awful, sometimes amazingly brilliant. I would like some help. Whereupon, she just totally melted. Ultimately, I am expressing a desire to run into the desert and get some space, the space everybody needs around themselves and unfortunately are not getting. Mayer and Notley both used their experience as mothers and wives in their work. . There are passing moments that neednt be dwelled upon, but if youre going to go to war against a couple of countries, I think you merit an accusation of doing just that. After having befriended the British poet and novelist Douglas Oliver during an earlier trip to England, Notley later reconnected with him, marrying in 1988 and moving to Paris in 1992. There were various famous people now that were in it like Susie Timmons. Shes made few changes to her approach to the work. which is certainly a splendid and beautiful poem, does. Her first husband, Ted Berrigan, was an equally charismatic figure among an influential group of downtown poets. Paris: Gallimard, Bibliothque de La Pliade, 1988, p. 643-753. DR: Like Ted Berrigan and Anne Waldman reading at Saint Marks church their collaborative poem, Memorial Day (May 6, 1971), that episode of Public Access Television. Grave of Light. (1954): that book is fantastic; he caught the new line, which he refers to in one of his letters. Ron Padgett. Particularly the middle one. Which gives you bits of advice and instructions. As for my teaching at the Saint Marks poetry project, I gave assignments from week to week and I made the students bring in those rather than the poems they wrote on their own, to hold discussion without my having to criticize them too much. of Marie de France. Need a transcript of this episode? The first workshop that I taught was a crucial one for that generation actually. Somewhere, I have a photo of my father with a snake in his mouth and every year that he did it, he got a little tattoo of a star on his hand; and my mother danced the year she was pregnant with me the Hopi Corn Maidens Dance, and she taught me the song later, and my father taught me the chant for the Apache Dog Dance. In 1986, Notley led a workshop where participants were required to write an entire book during the course of their meetings. 91DR: You quote the powerful, assertive voice of Marianne Moore in a poem. KOCH, Kenneth. Here is a brief introduction to her poetry through some of the poems that appear on the Poetry Foundation website, in chronological order from her earlier books to her more recent work. Middletown, CT: Wesleyan University Press, 2006. . AN: I wouldnt be able to take the journey if I couldnt hear the poem thats all based on folk songs and not those lines, but I was writing In the Pines while I was doing the Hepatitis C treatment, where the drugs would depress you, but once a week you would have to take a shot which, they didnt tell you, would get you high for a half hour before you got sick. That gives you a sense of the sound. With Songs and Stories of the Ghouls (2011), Notley once again takes on the challenge of creating a feminist epic. How, in your view, did humanity get itself in such a predicament? BAYM, Nina. Thats what Ive done ever since in different ways. doing here? I just sat down and replied, Im a widow; Ive got two children; I know its been a year and a half since my husband died; Im trying to stay at home as much as I can and I have a part-time job (I was working for Allen Ginsberg at the time). 101AN: Well, thats what a lot of us got from her; Im heavily influenced by Gertrude Stein, having had two Stein periods; in the second one in the mid-1980s, I figured out a thing about repetition: that, if you repeated, you could pause long enough inside the repetition to figure out what to say next, which she was probably doing constantly. Her first husband, Ted Berrigan, was an equally charismatic figure among an influential group of downtown poets. AN: Yes, they were the two Irish of the set. Ill read a part of it: Alice Notley, Where Leftover Misery Goes inGrave of Light, Wesleyan University Press, 2006 (p.292-293), reproduced with permission of the author. She delves into a range of topics in a single poem, such as "The Prophet", she converses about toilets, different countries, and the idea of marriage, and somehow she's able to bring all of these farfetched ideas together. Ed. The sense of something escaping is well illustrated by your poem, Where Leftover Misery Goes, among others. Perhaps the greatest OHara disciple in this sense is the poet Alice Notley, who, in the course of forty-plus years and forty-plus books, has repeatedly cited OHara as an influence while following her own unconventional path. Ive never thought of her as a poet: sometimes I think she doesnt know anything about poetry at all. poets act like a middle-aged mother trying to get her kids to eat too Est construido en ambas orillas del ro Nore. [3] Alice Notley on her life with Ted Berrigan. 64AN: He was a good friend. All the political problems are based in history. AN: He was a good friend. 78When we moved to Needles, there had been a cry house which was a place where the Mojaves would go to cry when somebody died, and there was now this pile of boards: my mother was completely fascinated by the cry house, thus she would use that phrase; one of the first stories I wrote on route to the University of Iowas Writers Workshop for an MFA as a prose writer was about Needles, concerning a white man who goes to the cry house to cry. How, in your view, did humanity get itself in such a predicament? I learned everything from the variable foot from Asphodel, That Greeny Flower.. Particularly the middle one. I quoted from Songs for the Unborn Second Baby (1979). 115DR: Also Im coming back often to that poem, In this Paradise, about the food-stamp office. AN: Peggy was great and, yes, Irish. NOTLEY, Alice. New York: TPR. That is just the beginning. In March 2021, Notley was a guest blogger forHarriet. Read Full Biography. In The Pines. When I was a young poet, I couldnt figure out what to title anything, and I discussed this with Ted, who said: You should write to Ron Padgett and get a list of titles, which I did; he just made up all these titles for me. I would give a task often based on traditional forms, or I would get an idea for a subject; and sometimes I used Kenneths books, because he was writing all those books then about teaching in nursing homes and to groups of small children. Why poetry is necessary and sought after during crises. 59DR: With your interpolation of popular culture into epic poetry, I would expect you to be a household name here in France. The designer of the cover made an extract basically, making it wrap around the book cover, which was an attractive idea. One of the lines in that particular poem is actually straight from Dylan, which I finally just say: I know no one can sing the blues like blind Willie McTell. Id been quoting from the song all the way through in the whole poem. Essex: Chicago Editions, June 1974. In her essay The Poetics of Disobedience, Notley writes, I've been trying to train myself for thirty or forty years not to believe anything anyone tells me. In this apocalyptic, darkly funny, and, indeed, gutsy poem from Songs and Stories of the Ghouls (2011), Notley indicts logic itselfthe so-called common sense that reduces poetry to gender and experience to the known and erases whole cities in the whirlwind of war. Tracing the fight for equality and womens rights through poetry. This is probably one reason that I change form and style so much, out of a desire to find a new beginning, which is always the true beginning. There are different paces and reading styles possible; the performance can be different each time. 45DR: Its also what Andr Breton mentions, in his book, Nadja (1963): staying at the Htel des Grands Hommes with his surrealist friends, who wont get into the Panthon either. To come back to this one, I read it as a kind of. Whether it's an object or a person, the over-accentuation of gender in relation to form allows for the. I havent changed much since I first began writing: Which gives you bits of advice and instructions. They measure out a skittering meter, question languages capacities in the face of violence, and remind us of its primal connection to bodies living and dead, speaking and silent. 1Alice Notley is a major American poet of our day, who has been living in Paris since the early 1990s, when she moved there with her second husband, the English poet, Doug Oliver (1937-2000), because Paris was where his professorial career was taking him. So, there were people from all different professions at the table, a few Americans and some artistic peoplebut not that many. I had just been in the States. I would like some help. Whereupon, she just totally melted. Photographer unknown, Alice Notley teaching a workshop, Saint Marks Poetry Project, c.1980, courtesy of the Alice Notley, re-photographed by Daesong Kim. Those are the ones Im working on right now, which have to do with my poetry of the moment. As Notley writes in "The Prophet" (1981): "One is you & all this & two & yet." The yet is where poetry begins. I started noticing my dreams before I met Ted [Berrigan], but he used his dreams, and I just started doing it more after I was with him; then, after he died I did it even more. For three or four years my father danced the Hopi snake dance with a live snake in his mouth. Since I had all these poems without titles, I just randomly assigned Rons titles to the poems that ended up in. Frank had a characteristic, manly idea of existing in the world despite what you might call his femininity, and I think that Ted understood it as something like being a Jimmy Cagney or something from the movies: Ted knew how to take that stance. All rights reserved. Thats why my poetry works so well. 17AN: Yes, they were the two Irish of the set. Alice Notley - 1945-. American Studies Journal, AccueilNumros1ReconnaissancesInterview of Alice Notley. A woman whose work completely knocked me out. The Circus (1971). The books were published under the imprint Unimproved Editions and Notley made cover art for the majority of the titles. I started noticing my dreams before I met Ted [Berrigan], but he used his dreams, and I just started doing it more after I was with him; then, after he died I did it even more. ASHBERY, John. Breaking Down Tracy K. Smiths Poem Solstice, Jia Tolentino on poetry as a refuge, and finding meaning in Tracy K. Smiths Solstice.. AN: It was definitely weird to get food stamps. There was a piece of paper on my door that said: in your building there were two Jewish children who were taken to the camps; we are going to have a ceremony for the unveiling of a plaque on the rue de Chabrol. Request a transcript here. The conjunctions are the most mysterious places in Johns work. Alice Notleys influence on a later generation of poets exploring the subject of motherhood is hard to overstate. [12] Her own book, entitled Parts of a Wedding, was published first in a small edition by Unimproved Editions then later as a section of the O Books anthology O One.[13]. Notley citesin parta reading by Robert Creeley as early inspiration for her writing more poetry. Theres a poem where you talk about meeting Teds mother. My poems are full of creosote bushes, and athel trees which are extremely ugly trees that somehow got there, who knows how, maybe by way of the Colorado River which goes right by where I grew up. Alice Notley was born in Bisbee, Arizona in 1945 and grew up in Needles, California in the Mojave Desert. NOTLEY, Alice. When I read The Descent of Alette I am tempted to treat the quotation marks between phrases as breath-markers like on a musical score. AN: Complicated as it is, I can sketch it out: basically, everything is just too dense on the planet, which has been a decision made and a byproduct of technology. In this short poem from her 1980 book When I Was Alive, Notley describes a female god who creates, instead of light, lightbulbs & liquefaction, who teaches us affection for paintings and films and the limitations of words. His poems are totally him; his voice is unique; his sensibility is unique; and he was always basing it on something else; he wanted to be like Frank [OHara] intensely, but there was no way he could be like Frank. AN: He had no trust in his own ability to write things out, while he had faith in his ability to find things. DR: Such natural presences are important. One is making them, conscious. It bears a dedication to James Schuyler and Anne and Fairfield Porter, who were also residing together on Long Island at the time. In fact, he had a whole career as a journalist, and knew how to research, to inform his opinions, and to look at events without a preexisting opinion: thus, I learned how to do that from him, though I find that few today are so intellectually honest. I can do that with my speaking voice in poems. DR: He has said that he started doing collages in his twenties and continued throughout his life. [3] Notley and Berrigan spent the several months between Long Island and Chicago in Bolinas, California, which is where Berrigan officially printed 165 Meeting House Lane. I actually feel bad when I dont write, like yesterday, but I always have something going on. And theres a poem called This Kind of Paradise (1986) where the Hopis suddenly appear in a bureaucratic Food Stamps Office. DR: To go on with my list: We are secretly holding the ghost dance, take care of the pines where we sleep, I have the Antlers she., (2011), from the lady with antlers; that was strange: I fell asleep, dreamed of being a woman with antlers, then when I woke up I opened. DR: The disturbing political and historical moment we are experiencing could disrupt many. Though I didnt know I was being influenced by him again when I was doing Alette. Sometimes I have in-between projects and that is a tough situation; because, I usually dont write as well then, indeed, I never quite know what to do at those moments. Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press, 2005. And theres a poem called This Kind of Paradise (1986) where the Hopis suddenly appear in a bureaucratic Food Stamps Office. The Indians said: No, we wont do it, but we will send people to teach them to you. The tribes then would send the people to Prescott, and every year they would teach these businessmen dances. damn whether they eat or not. Recent books continue to be at least somewhat character centered. 11It was a collaboration of sorts, though I generally do not collaborate; I really hate it. Alice scared me. DR: With your interpolation of popular culture into epic poetry, I would expect you to be a household name here in France. turn right, that dream building cutglass window in door. Like somebody live in some city. AN: Probably, I wouldnt dance, but Anne might. Its filthy; I dont remember how I got that torn princess; but that bird was in a book; you see that phrase there marks what I was barred from: so the thing to see is that Im in jail and they wont let me into the Htel des Grands Hommes. Which is the Panthon. New York: American Poets Project Library of America, 2004. ASHBERY, John. My collages actually reflect the situation of overabundance. You and Ted published it in your review, AN: I started to be quite influenced by him at that point, and I think I influenced him in the writing of the book. Perhaps some of Notleys techniques have been absorbed into contemporary poetrys vocabulary, but, as long as conformity threatens, Notley will continue to push against it, or perhaps simply beyond it. The Indie rock group AroarA put music to her fascinating piece, In the Pines (2007). There are different paces and reading styles possible; the performance can be different each time. American Literature between the Wars, 1914-1945. Gen. Ed. Reason and Other Women. It seemed that people like Joe Brainard were doing important, high-art collages and we could follow along without any pretention to be creating masterpieces. Then he writes poetry in the variable foot which is a huge influence on my later work. must start and will now by an awkward process make something, thinking Nina Baym. Theres that magical phenomenon with small children, before they get to be about four, where, if you start singing, they suddenly look at you, hooked. 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For the Ride skirts the edge of that story-sense. Alice Notley: That's the future. and Laurence B. HOLLAND. Why hurry them along? NOTLEY, Alice. (1976). How Spring Comes There was one called How Green Was My Hair Brush? which was a Ron title. Notleys struggle for solace and understanding is all the more moving for its contradictions, confusions, and stutters. I actually feel bad when I dont write, like yesterday, but I always have something going on. AN: Its not a dance; its a pattern of sounds: its in my voice which I think is sometimes better than singing, when I say the poems. In fact he taught the same undergraduate classes for years and years, refusing to teach graduate students becausehe saidthey couldnt learn anything, were already set in their ways. At the moment, it feels like theres not much going on there; because its all going on at the surface actually. Ive always had trouble getting materials here. Get this from a library! 62I am furious about people calling their speech against Trump the resistance. However, I have a poem, which happened to be written before Trump was elected, in an anti-Trump-type anthology thats coming out because I figure any place I can get a poem published is an occasion to seize. Im closely influenced by them, and working with Apollinaire at the moment. Eileen was in it, as was Bob Holman. Philip Gourevitch. American Literature between the Wars, 1914-1945. Gen. Ed. Mysteries of Small Houses (1998) won the Los Angeles Times Book Prize, and her collection Disobedience (2001) was awarded the Griffin International Poetry Prize. And they participated, when they lived in Prescott, AZ, in an organization which did Native American Dances every year, called The Smoki, which my father was in, and which had been instituted by the businessmen in Prescott in the 1930s. [2], After Notley's graduation, she and Berrigan spent periods of time in New York City and Buffalo. AN: Yes, towards the end of number fourteen, the last one. Or, as One says, Anyones a new poem today. 27AN: I dont think thats true of her poetry though, and I dont think thats what John did exactly. 38AN: Would you like to see the real collage? El jugador controla a Alice durante todo el juego corriendo, saltando, esquivando y atacando. White Phosphorus (1988) and Beginning with a Stain (1987). It also marks a shift in Notleys poetics away from the freewheeling chattiness of the New York School and toward something more visionary, historical, and grandly narrative. This Kind of Paradise. Parts of a Wedding. West Branch, Iowa: Toothpaste Press, 1981. 4. Courtesy of Alice Notley, re-photographed by Daesong Kim, April 2018. Of course, we salute their past: all the greats, Guillaume Apollinaire and Pierre Reverdy, and some well-known others. interview (2015) she says that she learned from John Ashbery never to complete a thought, which is a rich idea. I learned everything from the variable foot from Asphodel, That Greeny Flower.. One of the lines in that particular poem is actually straight from Dylan, which I finally just say: I know no one can sing the blues like blind Willie McTell. Id been quoting from the song all the way through in the whole poem. A similar style is found in other poems from that era, including I the People. That unusual, horizontal format was probably done to fit the long lines in. In spring 2001, she received an award from the American Academy of Arts and Letters and the Poetry Society of America's Shelley Memorial Award. Its a reasonable question to ask about For the Ride, which begins with a challenge to the reader: Youll have to decipher whats going on, as it happens. AN: When its around me, I take it in. Alls well.. Notley remained fairly prolific during this era, writing and publishing several full-length collections. 37DR: Historically, painting is central to cultural New York and to New York poetry. Produced by Curtis Fox. But I met himI met everybodyaround 1968. Where Leftover Misery Goes. Chain 7, Memoir/Antimemoir; Summer 2000, p. 147-151. 123AN: I wrote an essay about her work in a book of essays called Coming After (2005), and I have essays in it about her and Joanne Kyger, Ted Berrigan, Lorenzo Thomas, Frank OHara, and some others. I dont know anything about French pop culture at all; Im necessarily estranged from American pop culture, but I do sometimes know whats going on in music. 96DR: Well I think of Williams as a kind of Calder mobile waiting to enter into movement. Grave of light : new and selected poems, 1970-2005. , c. 1945, courtesy of the Alice Notley, re-photographed by Daesong Kim. Just like I did. The jacket copy attempts to sketch the books plot: the protagonist, named One, is suddenly within the Glyph. New York: Penguin, 1998. Other beings begin to materialize, and it seems that they are all survivors of a global disaster. Its rare when a book summary isnt entirely sure whats going on inside, and such enigmas are either an irritant or central to Notleys mystique, depending on your taste. 68DR: Your humor, in poems like The Prophet (which asks hilariously, Does a hippopotamus get the shakes?) is slightly less well known than your readiness to tackle political subjects. 88AN: Yes, and that is effectively what the Aeneid, which is certainly a splendid and beautiful poem, does. I was wondering if your poems that address completely despicable people might be a case of carrying the enemy on the shoulder. Grin, laugh unbecomingLiving at the bottom of the water mayhave been obvious all the time. One group of studentsDarlene Pearlstein, Peter Kostakis, and Richard Friedmanstarted a small poetry press, The Yellow Press, which would go on to publish two books by Notley, one book by Berrigan, and give out a yearly Ted Berrigan Prizeoverseen in part by Notleyfor a first book (though the press would cease publishing two years in). AN: I learned a lot from him on that level. [Alice Notley] -- "Considered by many to be among the most outstanding of living American poets, Alice Notley has amassed a body of work that includes intimate lyrics, experimental diaries, traditional genres, the . Flowery mantle. Homeric sacrifice? noise of darkness fear of, darkness now mantle of innocence King of his death now Home, Ive come home He said, Ive come home They were sacrificed for, nothing, for distant instants of thought All for your thinking, Illustration courtesy of Sophie Herxheimer, The Goddess Who Created This Passing World. 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